Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. God leads us as we depend upon the Holy Spirit and keep His Word. Shall we offer excuses that were only human? But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. Sounds like maybe you are in a pretty good church. I feel silly because some of the things I stood up for on this site are the same things that made me leave. Thanks but addressed all points. The Presbyterians took over the job of persecution biblical believers and forbade Knolleys from preaching in parish churches. We have the personal presence of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us, why would we want to follow rules that were intended for people living in the power of the flesh? @greg Tithing is no longer a requirement and God doesnt not require a tithe for obedience as is preached in todays churches. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Smokers use breath mints. Part 2: Those good Church of Christ folks, I have a few friends in that faith, good folks, but as youve so clearly pointed out, completley out in left field as it relates to musical instruments in the church. In examining many so-called early Baptist churches you find many doctrinal errors and false teaching. Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic. But if your wife and daughters are dressing immodestly to draw attention to their bodies, theyre not dressing in a Christ-honoring way teaching that all sex is dirty, etc..), I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water. Martin Luther until his death held to this false sentiment and disputed with the Swiss reformer Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), over the matter. When I told my Church of Christ neighbor that the Scripture tells us to worship God with musical instruments, she said Thats Old Testament, but in the New Testament it says to sing, making melody in your heart to the Lord. And she said that means that your vocal chords are the instrument. The first Baptist church in New York was started by William Wichendon, in 1656. I was a better version. I think any Christian should be allowed to wear what they want. It holds high the saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed in the New Testament and an unwavering commitment to carrying out the Great Commission, that is, to teach everywhere the truth of Gods Word. Thus the words Independent and Fundamental have been added by many Baptist churches to further identify themselves as truly Bible believing churches and to show a distinction between themselves and Baptist churches who were not following Gods word. Not all IFB churches are this way. You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. In 1684, a Baptist church in Maine seeking greater religious liberty was relocated to Charleston, South Carolina. I dont know of any areas where their teachings are unbiblical or fundamental. Make no mistake though baptism will never save anyone! I love the way David Hayword (aka The nakedpastor) explains some of the problem. Leaving Fundamentalism Leaving Fundamentalism Religion & Spirituality Podcast dedicated to my experiences of being a member of the Independent Since 1982 Greater Portland Baptist Church has ministered in the Greater Portland area with clear, Bible preaching, evangelistic passion, missions emphasis, Christ But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. I grew up in IFB churches from the time I was about 3, I'm 24 now. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. I even stayed at that church after college for a few years, even though my parents and younger sisters had moved a few hours north. I love the pastor and his family but politically it is too conservative for my semi-liberal mind. 5) shun folks that have left the church A person can rightly take pride in truthfully bearing the name Baptist. Thank you for the article, for your love for the King of all Kings. WebSo, first I am a Baptist with a capital B.. I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. Scan this QR code to download the app now. They direct their own affairs under the authority of the New Testament Scriptures, free from the outside interference. Baptists strongly insist that Gods Word is not up for arbitration or subject to the individuals, groups, denominations or churchs private interpretation. I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it. History is clear there is no other denomination that has so loved and been faithful to Gods Word as has the Baptists. This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. Ive heard similar stories from thousands of other people who have been trapped by the IFB and are now trying to escape. Some Baptist churches believe in a succession of Baptist churches who passed down the authority to baptize and give the Lords Supper. 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible Desire your best & healing in Lord Jesus if not. If someone wanted to Tithe down to a tenth of all they owned & sell or give value of itIm sure they could. So what is the solution? I cannot know. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. Jude:22., In Luke 5, Simon had been out all night fishing with Andrew, James, John, and possibly others. Of all my favorite things to do now that Im out of that situation, is raise my hands and praise my precious Saviour when He stirs my heart. The crucial point is not that they called themselves Baptists, but they followed the Bible as their sole authority for faith and practice. Also, name of church, you preach at. No one I have ever talked to or debated can show me that money is ever to be considered a tithe. WebA former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent In Virginia, Baptist were not welcome. After leaving we received a couple phone calls from friends we had made there wondering why we left which my husband explained to them. Not because of how we dress but by who we are. Hi Ahlayashabi Please forgive us if we have offended you in any way. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. For a while you feel as if youre floundering, and its difficult when you are accustomed to 100% guidance and direction in your life, and suddenly its up to you, and God. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. I do attend the Church of Christ. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Proverbs 21:24, Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. This is the only point that I disagree with of IFB doctrine. She even gave me a monetary gift when I had no money for food. Steve must have been on vacation or something. Your reasoning is faulty. It is very difficult, at first, and a person really does question their salvation, what they want in life, direction, etc. What youre experiencing is absolutely normal and it gets easier with time. In Europe, Protestant churches are state churches and supported to some degree by government imposed taxes. But today I bought an actual coolerwith rollers. (P.S. Im sorry to hear that the experience has affected your relationship to an extent as well. There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. 2. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. Live in the blessed hope of our Lord Jesus, He loves you unconditionally! But I also would agree that just about every other Church denomination has strict dress standards as well. The not so fine folks at Westboro Baptist are a bunch of lunatic fringe haters that act in contrast to the love of Christ they espouse to embrace. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. He, however, continued to preach by holding services in his own home. | Beautiful In His Time, standing under the broken heart | Beautiful In His Time, hiding in shame, packing up my dreams | Beautiful In His Time, when you trust and obey but your heart still gets broken | Beautiful In His Time, when youve been hurt by legalism, hold onto faith | Beautiful In His Time, What do Brad Pitt, Josh Groban, and Sleepless in Seattle have in common? I'm asking because I'm seriously considering coming out to my parents as someone who just looks at Christianity as being another nerd-esque interest much like that of video games, anime, comic books, etc.. Basically, if you watched the Religious People are Nerds video by CollegeHumor, you know what I'm talking about. For the following seven years,I wandered in a no-mans landa wilderness, between legalism and grace trying to find some balance between the two. Recovering Fundamentalist Podcast I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. Simon, even though he was tired and didnt think there were any fish to be had, obeyed Read More. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. I Married a good man and we went to a prominent IFB church for many years and did so until a year ago. Here we began the healing process which is at times painful. I wish you well in your new school and church. You can tell when people actually study their Bibles. The form contains many questions about doctrine and philosophy of ministry. How did you leave the Independent Fundamental Baptist cult? I appreciate your stand for the cause of Christ, and remember always to rely on the blessed Word of God to lead and guide you, there will be times perhaps, when someone you really look up to is promoting ideas that are not biblical and yet they try to use the bible to convince you of their veracity. To hold to the secessionist position takes the authority away from the New Testament and places it in the hands of man. These are the distinctives which separate Baptists from all Protestants, any organized church or Christian cult. I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. They teach you how to be dependent on the IFB rather than the Holy Spirit and the Bible. In the many books on church history which make up the bibliography for this paper, there is not one recorded incident of a Baptist church beginning founded out of Roman Catholicism. I really have an issue with this point. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. Its nothing personal, just logic. They reject the efforts of the many who spiritually interpret the Scriptures, placing hidden or specially revealed meanings to the words of the Bible. These five distinctive beliefs separate the true Baptists from other groups who have mistakenly taken the name Baptist and all non New Testament churches such as the Protestants. Would you say Calvary Chapels are unbiblical and not fundamental? The Independent Baptist church has a congregational form of government with each member having the right of the vote and all the affairs of the churches are conducted by the local congregation following the guidelines of the New Testament. The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. Protestants still practice infant baptism which is not taught in the Word of God. Ive read the comments and the posts. We should stand out because we are different. How can you not see that? Sir, than we pray that they will get right with God They loved the Lord and many of them gave their lives and fortunes for the sake of Christ. He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. Im so glad thats not how it works!! There was a fine of 2000 pounds of tobacco for failure to have ones infant children baptized. These churches patterned themselves strictly after the New Testament example, and this made them valid churches approved of God. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. @Fran The validity of a church as being a true Biblical New Testament church does not rest in it ability to show an unbroken line of succession from the time of Christ. These worldly churches still call themselves Baptists but in fact they do not believe or practice what true Baptists have historically believed and more importantly what the Word of God says. The Trinity: God is one What and three Whos with each Who possessing all the attributes of Deity and personality. Introduction: some self-observations about legalism. I am a former fundamental baptist member, I would like to request any assistance on clarification regarding the contradictions of doctrine of Paul and Jesus. So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. First Baptist Church Of Rose Hill uses only the King James Bible. Many Protestant denominations still hold to the writings of their church fathers as a source of church doctrine and have never accepted the Bible as their sole source of teachings for their faith and practice, which is a foundational teaching of Catholicism. Catholicsm is beyond a denomination & a religious institution with some Christian tenants. Thanks and may God bless. clarity/dont want to lieas far as experiences at churche sin regards to Tithing: I practiced tithing at former Non-Den churchPAastor explained tithing, giving & offering I think & wa sclear not mandatory but reallywhy tenth onlyactual giving by restricting only seemed to be what I learned from thatits all His. 5. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. They will not participate, on a church basis, or any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. John 10:10, A logical fallacy stands alone whether in or out of context. It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. Often, when we arrived home after the service my wife would burst into tears, when I asked what was wrong, the answer was always the same: how the pastors wife had verbally attacked her. Some years ago when I was attempting to find another church for my family to attend so as to escape a spiritually abusive IFB, I found myself at a Church of Christ that had split from the large COC in town. No wonder I, as a new believer, doubted! https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus.html. Join the conversation as three pastors who are recovering fundamentalists talk about life, ministry, and their journeys. I believe it is almost impossible to grow to a complete relationship with God without knowing his nature. Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. I attend an IFB church. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. Benedict in his history of the Baptists states the Gospel was preached in Britain within sixty years of the Lords return to heaven. Hi, in your opening statement use say that God has not party with them, those who operate under any systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church. 17800 SE Main St.Portland, OR 97233503-761-1136. Wed love to hear about it! These churches are good examples of Bible believing churches that existed independent of the Roman Catholic Church, and were for some time not corrupted by its influences. There were nine original members of the church which included two women. Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. I really dont know how to describe it. Pastors tiptoe around specific sins so not to offend. They will not engage in joint meetings, or evangelistic endeavors, with Protestants, Catholics, or other doctrinally unsound church groups, who do not hold to the fundamental teachings of the New Testament. Along with pioneer missionary William Carey, we believe The future is as bright as the promises of God!, Greater Portland Baptist Church is committed to making a difference in Portland and around the world. Just because everyone else is doing it doesnt mean its correct. I was able to escape physically, but mentally and emotionally I had a much harder time. She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. I would like to hear further explanation of the following: You are liberated! I just sent you a friend request. #itsthelittlethings #swimteammom, Legalism and Grace: How I Left the IFB Movement and Chose Grace, Encouragement and Resources for the Military Wife. They should not be confused true Bible believing churches, because their beliefs and practices were much like the Church of England. My mother is divorced, as are a few others in the congregation. 4. WHAT IS AN INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST CHURCH? I just have a question. Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. Now when the head of a church & all dem that fall in line must appply apsotast (like openly Gay Pastor, etc) than you should have some of them on here big. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. It was almost like watching 12yr olds trying to run a corporation. All youve done is pull some verses out of context and manipulated them to fit your point of view. I would love to chat further!!! John was beheaded by Herod (Matt. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277) Under the Roman Catholic influence these missionary centers diverged into monasticism. Lynne While I agree with most of your comment, I would be very interested in finding where Jesus teaches about tithing in the bible.
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